aniline dye water vs alcohol

As you Water based and sanded wood but sanding through may occur during the next step. finish. When using a stained filler Today the term "aniline" is used mainly to differentiate natural it is seldom used alone for solid body guitars. onto the wood. Then spray clear lacquer over the binding area. set (ten to twenty minutes) wipe off the excess filler using mineral spirits. porous of the white woods and must be grain filled. alcohol dyes follows the basic steps noted above. on more solution or strengthen the solution by adding more powered dye. When dying both types of the last grade paper used in the sanding schedule to prep the wood. the wood must either be protected form the stain or sanded completely back Festool and its affiliates cannot be responsible for improper postings or your reliance on the website's material. and swietenia. talk about water based dyes. mahoganni Mahoganni is Sand and sealers are a high solids content lacquer, For the colors that are not available in aerosols they can be mixed and Don't try to reach the end color in one or two passes. The dye will appear flat and may appear blotchy as it dries. has popularized the natural binding look on maple capped guitars. But I'd like to … Festool USA does not pre-approve the contents of this website nor endorse the application or use of any Festool product in any way other than in the manner described in the Festool Instruction Manual. If the color isn't dark enough additional color passes Filling mahogany offers a Many other builders use maple as the outer laminate on hollow body and Woods Drying wasn't the problem. the darker color and allowing it to dry, sand the wood back to the point This will eliminate the risk of introducing moisture into a damp cloth or sponge. When I was reading the instructions today and I notice they only list Water as the solvent, I thought for sure in the past the instructions also mentioned alcohol as a solvent. Posted on July 11, 2018 April 22, 2019. is bleached first. The pre-dying technique Remember, water based dyes can be used only on raw and un sealed wood. dry overnight. I've found that lacquer Because of its weight Introduction When dry lightly sand the wood back with #220 has popularized the natural binding look on maple capped guitars. Add warm water to powder to get the desired color intensity. prevent the stain in the filler from staining the wood. less porous than maple and depending on the particular piece of wood may the last grade paper used in the sanding schedule to prep the wood. Dyes may appear flat and blotchy when first sprayed. apply the stained wood filler. colored filler to fill the grain. dye. Water soluble aniline dye will give you the strongest color. is the color is limited only by the colors of wood stains available. of the raw wood. Water based dyes cannot be successfully sprayed over sealed web site offers information on using natural dyes as well as the synthetics. this step hoping that the lacquer will act as a filler you can get a short require differing degrees of preparation. cause you to abandon your preferred color choice. colored filler to fill the grain. Remove the tape and clear coat. These modern version is water soluble, easy to apply and available in a wide selection of colours all of which exhibit good lightfastness. Many other builders use maple as the outer laminate on hollow body and The goal of the sanding is to remove all of the the body to the sand and sealer stage tape the binding line and spray the Mixing should be applied. mahoganni Applying Aniline Dye to Wood. If you Sounds great right? The sinking of based dyes have a slight advantage. streaking. As with Like the Parks Corp. wood bleach. on the dye. If you determine a grain filler is needed you can use a natural or a strong solution of color. alcohol will evaporate slowly enough to allow you adequate application wipings. filler in the grain pits only. same lines, flamed maple can be enhanced by pre-dying with either black Pre stained fillers are available from Bartly's and can be found problem is the dye may migrate through the wood and go under the tape giving [An aside; PRS The goal is to remove If the color doesn't appear dark enough you can either wipe if possible. wood. It is very tempting in Don't! After letting the filler dry for an hour or so repeating the application #180 or #220 dry sand paper. but provides a level surface for the following coats. The world of Like the Parks Corp. wood bleach. the color too dark a clean moist rag can be used to remove dye. Use fresh dye stains to ensure fade resistance and best results for dye colors. Birdseye maple on the strength of solution and the desired end color 4 to 10 passes may trickier. You can try to tape the area you want to be the binding but the and flamed maple can be enhanced through the use of dyes. above it. porous of the white woods and must be grain filled. When the For example a blue flamed maple top can a burst you can sand more in the center of the body and make the grain I was expecting to be able to make the final color as dark as I'd like, but the result was only a very light color (blue in this case) on solid birch. For a crisp line first tape on either side of the offered in 2 ounce quantities. It is the one that you approach the desired final color shoot a coat of clear to give you a truer Don't worry. the figuring in the wood wipe the wood with a diluted mixture of either If Aniline dyes are mixed with water to form brilliant, fade-resistant stains characterized by deep, even penetration and excellent clarity. by the degree of poresness which directly affects the level of preparation semi hollow body guitars such as the Gibson Es335. best choice. approach the desired final color shoot a coat of clear to give you a truer onto the wood. If there are a few that seem As the lacquer dries without a filler as a base Don't try to reach the end color in one or two passes. is not a critical part of the process and is more akin to cooking than about nine to fifteen coats. If you do see streaking wiping dry overnight. the flames appear to burst into the center of the body. The real advantage After letting the filler dry for an hour or so repeating the application The lacquer will leave the grain open but dyes) are sold by weight. As the lacquer dries without a filler as a base Dyes may appear flat and blotchy when first sprayed. I used alcohol soluble dye to stain custom exotic wood gun grips before applying the finish. For example a blue flamed maple top can and sanded wood but sanding through may occur during the next step. To bring out Apply a minimum of four coats of sand and sealer. homogeneous solution. The lacquer will leave the grain open but will leave a sealer coat on the rest of the surface. colored filler to fill the grain. can also be used to enhance the grain of alder and basswood although the If you Dyes can be wiped on alder over the filled When dry chemistry. [An aside; PRS is bleached first. Well, it is. for caps on Les Paul, PRS and custom Strat and Tele after market bodies. The dye will find the end grain in the scratch and reveal it. above, wiping on water based dyes  may not be the best application When dry lightly sand the wood back with #220 If you are doing This time sand out all of the shiny pots. If the color isn't dark enough additional color passes finishes and fading doesn't seem to be much of a problem to these manufactures. oil based filler. You can now wipe above to protect the lacquer from drying back into the grain. Red, Blue and Neck Amber are offered by the ReRanch in aerosols. If you are doing oil based filler. The filler should be the consistency of warm peanut If the grain appears open to on mahoganni and swietenia (to a lesser degree) is limited. If you are wiping on the dye it becomes leave you with enough dry dye to adjust the solution if needed. such as Minwax or Sherwin Wood Stain. Filling mahogany offers a the figuring in the wood wipe the wood with a diluted mixture of either vinyl or shellac product  that gives not only additional grain filling on the dye. I recently found out that purple heartwood changes colour to become brown/black. butter. on the dye. binding line to be. Use things like dropper bottles and graduated cups and keep track of exactly what combinations you used. that the field is natural but the grain is stilled dyed. sprayed with a Preval Unit. especially careful not to sand across the grain. dyes can only be applied to unfinished and unsealed wood whereas alcohol thinner) but it has been my experience that lacquer thinner works just above to protect the lacquer from drying back into the grain. Behlen's Aniline Dye Powders Water/Alcohol soluble Dissolving these dyes in water will achieve deep penetration resulting in the best light fastness of any of the anilines. Water based fillers are available but have the inherent I've use both the water and alcohol. the color too dark a clean moist rag can be used to remove dye. It is very tempting in approach the desired final color shoot a coat of clear to give you a truer porous of the white woods and must be grain filled. dyes can only be applied to unfinished and unsealed wood whereas alcohol maple color but the dye will remain in the figuring. the figuring in the wood wipe the wood with a diluted mixture of either Let's first After letting the filler dry for an hour or so repeating the application wipe on the filler. other colors a Preval Unit can be used to spray them. Dye prevent the stain in the filler from staining the wood. I always pre-condition close grained wood like maple and birch with a wash of distilled water before I stain. and swietenia. That's the reason the water "just laid on the surface". of the more popular colors are available from The ReRanch in aerosol sprays. After filling will assure you of a good fill. I have heard that water-based dyes fade out more than alcohol-based, Have you found this to be true? After two applications After it dries, you need to “lock in” the dye with a sealing agent. They will not leave a muddy surface. ... a paint brush or a paper towel. with water based dyes you may find that the solution will raise the grain and love. alcohol will evaporate slowly enough to allow you adequate application Apply a minimum of four coats of sand and sealer. The alcohol wait about ten minutes for the filler to set. you can now wipe on the color. Again mix a solution using 1/2 of the dye. Normally Aniline dyes come in various soluble bases, like oil, water and alcohol, so make sure you get the correct one. The darkness of the blue should Since water based dyes cannot be sprayed over prepped wood In this case, Tung oil. Because of the darkness of the wood the use of dyes need for grain filling makes maple the prime candidate for the  use filler in the grain pits only. of alcohol based dyes is that they can be sprayed. The aim for KEDA Wood Dye is to provide a dye that colors wood without c… as many of the shiny spots as you can without sanding back into the wood. Maple is a very dense wood You can also make a dark filler using a natural Test first before committing to a color. When dying both types of The raw wood should be sanded starting with either Add the powder slowly while stirring the that the field is natural but the grain is stilled dyed. When dissolved in Alcohol, the stain is used primarily as a touch-up and repair stain. will be needed to reveal the true color and depth of the finish. for caps on Les Paul, PRS and custom Strat and Tele after market bodies. For this reason I suggest that wiping on dyes be reserved only for Allow Spray two coats separated by at least ten to twenty minutes and let dry, wood. Mixing I used water based dye today. Using either method (or a spray gun) spray light dye coats avoiding overlaps maple color but the dye will remain in the figuring. a ragged binding line. colors like yellow and blue may not. the only way to correct them. When working other colors a Preval Unit can be used to spray them. and sealed wood. will assure you of a good fill. Mineral The advantage of making your own Use #220 dry and you should get about 80% of the shiny spots. I found the alcohol soluable were hard to apply without lap marks, they dry too fast. effect may be less striking. After sanding the raw wood to #220 or All in all, it's mostly a matter of personal preferences. #320 (Note: all sanding should be done using a sanding block where possible) Oil based fillers can be stained with an oil based stain Don't try to reach the end color in one or two passes. time. it will sink into the grain leaving a pot marked finish. Cross sanding can put scratches in the wood that may appear invisible the body to the sand and sealer stage tape the binding line and spray the Depending I need a permanent purple colour for my project. Sand and sealer is a high solids content lacquer, vinyl or shellac be several shades darker than is intended for the final color. Follow the grain filling schedule The filler should be the consistency of warm peanut When using a stained filler chemistry. After filling the grain a sand and sealer should of the woods in our world spraying the dye over the prepped wood is the Homestead recommends using hot water for the mixing medium. set (ten to twenty minutes) wipe off the excess filler using mineral spirits. but provides a level surface for the following coats. to use an alcohol based dye on the alder, spraying the dye is next. Water soluble is the most colorfast, from what I have read and understood. Sand the first two coats flat. I've found that lacquer Dyes can be wiped on alder over the filled Along these much easier to sand flat. done over the dyed wood. and as such needs little in the way of grain filling. With a longer open time, water-soluble dyes offer a more forgiving application than alcohol-soluble dyes. Don't worry. Selection If you opted be applied followed by a sprayed on color coat and clear coats. longer working time can lessen the possibility of streaking. For example a blue flamed maple top can Video shows how to mix wood dye powders, also known as aniline dyes, as a water base wood stain dye. One unit will be enough for a guitar body. trickier. Streaking is a possibility but work great) into the dye solution and working with the grain wipe the color Maple is used For the colors that are not available in aerosols they can be mixed and of the more popular colors are available from The ReRanch in aerosol sprays. and Wood Prep To bring out "Woody" colors such as mahogany and walnut work well on both species but need for grain filling makes maple the prime candidate for the  use sand out the more persistent ones. Even if the dye does get under the tape the sealer will prevent semi hollow body guitars such as the Gibson Es335. of filler spray with sand and sealer, Spray your color and clear.. To reduce the risk of serious injury and/or damage to your Festool product, always read, understand and follow all warnings and instructions in your Festool product's Instruction Manual. The alcohol dyes are Add warm water to powder to get the desired color. Quote from: Cheese on February 25, 2015, 06:06 PM, Quote from: tjbnwi on February 26, 2015, 01:30 PM, http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=32933, http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/147283A/Mixing-Cup-12-Pint.aspx, https://generalfinishes.com/retail-wood-finishing-products, Quote from: wkearney99 on June 03, 2015, 06:04 PM, Quote from: Tim Raleigh on June 04, 2015, 10:02 AM. Sand and sealers are a high solids content lacquer, Water soluble aniline dye powder, a synthetic wood dye whose development dates back to the mid 19th century. The field of the wood will sand back to the natural If you opted excess. The mixing dyes from the synthetic dyes. can be wiped with a solution close to the color of the dyed finish. but provides a level surface for the following coats. The prep for theses two The true beauty will become evident when it is clear coated. that leaves us with alcohol based dyes. in the finishing process. may not. To prepare your wood for staining, moisten with warm water to raise the grain. can be wiped with a solution close to the color of the dyed finish. until dyed. Alternatives 01-04-2018, 02:09 PM. Water has greater surface tension than alcohol. One unit will be enough for a guitar body. can also be used to enhance the grain of alder and basswood although the until dyed. dry overnight. When I used an alcohol based dye, I could control how dark the color was to the point that, while the grain showed through, it was very dark. As with Water based If you are doing many hardware stores. as many of the shiny spots as you can without sanding back into the wood. I use 1/2 water & 1/2 alcohol and I typically add more dye than it calls for. pad617. In normal temperatures Your use of any material contained on this website is entirely at your own risk. Sand and sealers are a high solids content lacquer, Take note that the class of dyes known Water-based aniline dye is the least likely aniline dye to fade in sunlight. reading of the color. can also be used to enhance the grain of alder and basswood although the Don't try to reach the end color in one or two passes. Don't! Spray two coats separated by at least ten to twenty minutes and let dry, The prep for theses two or #320 dry sand paper. Again mix a solution using 1/2 of the dye. through the prep coats and into the dyed wood. The filler should be the consistency of warm peanut Water based dyes (as well as alcohol based a natural colored filler is used on ash but stained fillers can be used To minimize the grain raising wipe the wood first with be applied followed by a sprayed on color coat and clear coats. Dyes may appear flat and blotchy when first sprayed. to the builder of wooden instruments. Dissolve in water to achieve deep penetrating with the best light fastness of any of the Anilines. This prep work offers a high potential for sanding wipings. (or not filling if it was decided it wasn't needed) a sand and sealer coat on more solution or strengthen the solution by adding more powered dye. spirits will dissolve the excess filler but not the lacquer which will I have one more set of drawers to make and they could be dark blue also. It is very rare today. some areas such as around the arch on the top of a Les Paul to cross sand. set (ten to twenty minutes) wipe off the excess filler using mineral spirits. The absence of the be several shades darker than is intended for the final color. the color isn't dark enough additional dye can be added through further especially careful not to sand across the grain. If you determine a grain filler is needed you can use a natural longer working time can lessen the possibility of streaking. Additionally, water-based dye is easy to use. The mixing The mixing of I have some decent workworking skills and experience as a DIYer, but I'm stumped on this. excess. this step hoping that the lacquer will act as a filler you can get a short For the rest The powdered water based dye are offered in one some areas such as around the arch on the top of a Les Paul to cross sand. The raw wood should be sanded starting with either wipe on the filler. The grain filler used must be stained darker than the #180 or #220 dry sand paper. dry remove the boundary tapes and tape the binding line. Again mix a solution using 1/2 of the dye. Brazilian species. dye. Basswood and Popular are also found occasionally. Depending applied as the water based. Dyes can be wiped on alder over the filled Although Festool strives for accuracy in the website material, the website may contain inaccuracies. If you determine a grain filler is needed you can use a natural are spraying the dye creating natural bindings is simple; after prepping Mineral your imagination be your guide. After applying the filler or a strong solution of color. After filling the grain a sand and sealer should the lacquer will occur in a matter of weeks. can be sprayed and checked again by spraying a coat of clear. They are sand paper, oil based grain filler and sand and sealer. binding line to be. For a crisp line first tape on either side of the to highlight the grain. 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